My Third Sci Phi Show Minicast

Matt Arnold
June 25, 2007

Today's episode of The Sci Phi Show podcast is my essay about Edmund Furse and his attempt to adapt his traditional view of Christianity to fit robots into it. In discussing this I go into topics of non-human people, and the word "mindkind" in place of "mankind".

(MP3 link)

Hello. I'm Matt Arnold. Welcome to Suspension of Belief. This Episode: A Religion For Robots.

In the show notes, I'll link to a URL of an address by Christian

cognitive scientist Edmund Furse. This is a totally straight-faced

explanation of how robots, in his opinion, will be able to do things

like sin, or communicate with God. At one point, Furse says, quote:

..."give us this day our daily bread" might have to be replaced by

"give us our regular electric feed".

Unquote. Robot religion comes off as funny at first because it mixes

two sets of stories we treat with different kinds of seriousness. The

ones we get in science fiction, and the ones some of us get in church.

It wouldn't seem so jarring if instead of Robby the Robot from

Forbidden Planet, we imagine Haley Joel Osment as David from

Spielberg/Kubrick's film A.I. Furse also says, quote:

...It seems to me that Christ died for all persons, male, female,

human and robot. A second argument might be that a robot is unlikely

to be an icon of Christ at the altar, but I suppose that priestly

robots could grow long hair and a beard if desired.

Unquote. A noble sentiment indeed. Notice that Furse says "persons"

rather than "humans". He might find it fruitful to use the word

Mindkind. This is a word I picked up from the novel Diaspora by Greg

Egan, as well as from the online Orion's Arm setting. These depict

civilizations in which the clades and sub-species who are descended

from humans, bonobos, elephants, etc. have to accommodate each other--

even software citizens that don't need a body. A mind is all that

matters. "Mindkind" is not as sexist, and especially speciesist, as

"mankind."

The culture of fantasy and science fiction is saturated with non-human

characters who are entitled to full personhood (and others such as

orcs who are not and therefore can be slaughtered by the protagonists

without remorse, which tells you a lot about the authors), so one

would think we of all people would have realized by now that Bones'

accusation that Spock is "inhuman" is pointless. As Eliezer Yudkowski

wrote, all that matters morally is-- not to be human-- to be "humane."

Anyone who might be invented in a laboratory during the upcoming

century, and has a mind, could be a person regardless of what species

it is. "Mindkind" instead of "mankind", "person" instead of "human" is

an attempt to expand the circle of empathy, not contract it to say who

is inhuman. "Mindkind" is also effective in that it acknowledges the

difference between lifeforms that have minds and those that do not.

The commonalities between most moral systems, regardless of their

stated justifications, serve to make room for the intentions and

desires of minds other than one's own. We can't respect the intentions

and feelings of life forms that don't have any. The suffering of a

victim is the property of a mind. Wherever there are intentions and

feelings, we must make accommodation for them next to that of everyone

else.

To go back to the paper by Furse, Quote:

Could a robot steadfastly set its face against the will of God. Could

a robot continuously know what is the right thing to do, and yet

choose to go against it. Could a robot ultimately choose to reject God

and all goodness, and desire to be cut off from God and his grace for

all eternity? Surely a robot being so knowledgeable would choose a

path of goodness. But we have to allow for the possibility of free

choice, and in allowing the robot this possibility, we also have to

allow for it to ultimately to go to Hell.

Unquote. You heard that right-- he seriously entertained the idea of

robots in hell. I can hardly blame you for chuckling, but since I'm

the kind of guy who thinks death and taxes are engineering problems,

my own views of the future would be met with a similar chuckle, so

there's a humility check involved. I'm convinced there are going to be

other species in this solar system, created by us. I don't agree with

Furse's metaphysical claims, but since I expect machine intelligences

to disagree with each other just like we do, I honestly see no reason

so far why religion would be less appealing to some of them than it is

to us. On the other hand, the invention of artificial intelligence

would prove that the conscious mind is not a magical object. So you'd

think a robot couldn't fail to notice that.

I'm happy to have discovered Furse, because he's interestingly unique:

the serious traditional religionist who simultaneously takes seriously

radical future change in what it means to be human. Someone who cares

about artificial people, and someone who cares whether they can

fulfill rituals by having beards. There are plenty of luddites

claiming it's immoral to upgrade ourselves, but you don't hear them

trying to come up with sociological frameworks for having to deal with

other species once they're here. As long as somebody's going to be in

one of these religions and not abandon it, they are eventually going

to adapt to the issues that Furse describes. His future counterpart

has been depicted in many science fiction novels baptizing aliens and

robots. That prediction come true in him, and Furse will not be the

last.

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